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CIO/OFT could provide Cloud computing services by deploying high speed links to Cloud vendors such as Google, Amazon, 3Tera, GoGrid, etc. from CIO/OFT Data Centers. This could be an additional service at lower cost and reduced service levels than CIO/OFT Hosted Servers for customers whose program needs are satisfied by this delivery model. This may allow NYENET customers to access virtual Data Center Services using CIO/OFT Technical expertise and support models.

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Submitted by 5 years ago

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  1. Unsubscribed User

    I would not assume lower cost for cloud computing.

    In my observation in the past NYS has often made the error of reviewing only the initial costs of IT acquisitions and not their TCO or externalities. A perfect example is the acquisition and use of proprietary office suite programs with their proprietary file formats.

    Yes, "everyone" was doing it back in the day, but in retrospect treating office software as a commodity and seeking only up-front cost-savings without looking at the damaging effects of locking the state into closed technologies in retrospect seems like a terrible IT decision, one that has caused all manner of grief for stakeholders including the NYS Archives, so bad, in fact, that the legislature recognized a need for a study of the effects of decisions like that after the fact.

    I recommending wearing more discerning glasses when peering at the cloud solutions. I am not sure the cloud vendors have fully costed out their solutions to accommodate all of the state's needs including NYS's security needs or our open standards needs. (For example are the cloud vendors providing tools and promises for migrating data out of their clouds into competitor's clouds, at no additional cost?)

    When cloud computing providers start encountering the robust contractual obligations that fully-formed contracts protecting NYS's interests will entail, my guess is their costs posed to NYS will rise, and quite dramatically. Will the costs rise enough to completely carve away the savings from economies of scale? That is not yet clear. What is clear is assuming the cloud is "lower cost" may not be warranted.

    5 years ago
  2. Office suites were never a commodity product. They saved money and made organizations more agile by displacing clerical workers.

    Microsoft Office became the dominant player for a variety of reasons, most of which had to do with poor technical decisions made by competitors, who were busy transitioning to Windows (and OS/2 in the early 90's) from legacy, DOS-based applications. Lotus 1-2-3 is a great example of a dominant application that struggled with the text-GUI conversion. Microsoft had a bit of an early lead because it had a very successful Mac product line and were able to produce a more polished GUI product.

    That said, I don't think that cloud computing is an analogue to office suites. It's more like generating electricity. If you want to go off the grid and have reliable electricity, you need to buy a generator, haul fuel, maintain the equipment, etc -- a very expensive proposition. Or, you can live in an area with access to electricity and pay someone a couple hundred bucks a month to generate, transport and deliver electricity to you.

    While I'm not suggesting that cloud computing is a panacea by any means, it is turning a some aspects our core business (ie. providing compute and storage to support state agency operations) into a commodity market. If Amazon.com is hosting and reselling servers at a profit for $0.10-0.90/hr in one-minute chunks, and we are providing a similar service for $5/hr in one-month chunks, there is a large cost gap that some customers may wish to exploit.

    The are scenarios where cloud computing is a no-brainer, like the New York Times archiving project:

    http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/self-service-prorated-super-computing-fun/

    In this case, the NYT staff utilized Amazon EC2 to transform and combine millions of un-indexable TIFF files into nice, accessible PDF files. It's a great example of how low-cost accessibility to compute resources can facilitate creative solutions to difficult problems.

    5 years ago
  3. Unsubscribed User

    Cloud computing, the dynamic data center.

    Cloud computing helps to increase the speed at which applications are deployed, helping to increase the pace of innovated networked computing. Service deployed applications; Cloud computing can be provided using an enterprise data center’s own servers, or it can be provided by a cloud provider that takes all of the capital risk of owning the infrastructure.

    Cloud computing incorporates virtualization, data and application on-demand deployment, internet delivery of services, and open source software. Virtualization enables a dynamic data center where servers provide resources that are utilized as needed with resources changing dynamically in order to meet the needed workload.

    The combination of virtual machines and virtual appliances used for server deployment objects is one of the key features of cloud computing. Additionally, company’s can merge a storage cloud that provides a virtualized storage platform and is managed through an API, or Web-based interfaces for file management, and application data deployments.

    Layered Service providers offering pay-by-use cloud computing solutions can be adjacent to company’s equipment leases. Public clouds are run by third party service providers and applications from different customers are likely to be mixed together on the cloud’s servers, storage systems, and networks. Private clouds are built for the exclusive use of one client, providing the utmost control over data, security, and quality of service. Private clouds can also be built and managed by a company’s own IT administrator. Hybrid clouds combine both public and private cloud models which may be used to handle planned workload spikes, or storage clouds configuration. Dedicated audits for security policies are a must.

    The benefits of deploying applications using cloud computing include reducing run time and response time, minimizing the purchasing and deployment of physical infrastructure. Considerations for Energy efficiency, flexibility, simplified systems administration, pricing based on consumption, and most of all limiting the footprint of the data center. Virtualized solutions: http://www.shopricom.com

    5 years ago
  4. Unsubscribed User

    "Office suites were never a commodity product."

    They have been purchased as though they were a commodity product, with scant attention given to TCO effects like:

    -- the need for open standards and what it costs the state to use closed standards as we have been doing for so many years; or

    -- relying on the short, costly upgrade cycles determined by proprietary vendors instead of longer less-expensive upgrade cycles determined by the state's own needs.

    "I don't think that cloud computing is an analogue to office suites. It's more like generating electricity."

    Respectfully, I think that is a terrible analogy, and illustrates my point above. Perhaps the electricity analogy is apt for certain kinds of cloud computing, but for any types of cloud where the state's DATA is involved, the analogy fails.

    Let me know when I am handing over file cabinet upon file cabinet's worth of data to the electric company, in the hopes they will properly secure it, or even give it back in usable form. With cloud that happens. With the electric company, not so much. :-)

    4 years ago
  5. Unsubscribed User

    Cloud computing is a wonderful thing, but for state data it is better to keep such data inside the firewall. This does not mean an internal cloud can't be setup, however. In face, utilizing open source software such as Eucalyptus http://eucalyptus.com/ you can setup your own internal cloud AND it allows for the same API function calls as S3 and EC2....so employee skills internally can be honed on freelance projects externally, and there is more enthusiastic buy in when employees know they are learning skills that are marketable - as opposed to locked to a specific vendor.

    4 years ago

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